[12:18:26] {ormus} geez
[12:18:44] {ormus} did you read about this lady fighting for use of her frozen embryos?
[12:18:49] {ormus} in britain
[12:18:51] {nule} no
[12:19:41] {ormus} had ivf performed with her boyfriend before having cancer treatment which would leave her infertile
[12:19:55] {ormus} now she’s infertile, wants to use them, but he withdrew his consent
[12:19:56] {ormus} oof
[12:19:58] {ormus} that sucks
[12:20:31] {nule} hrm…
[12:20:56] {ormus} i was reading about it here:
[12:20:58] {ormus} http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/07/embryos.ruling/index.html
[12:21:38] {nule} i guess I find it a bit surprising that he could withdraw consent
[12:22:17] {ormus} i guess maybe that’d depend on when you considered the embryo a person
[12:22:18] {ormus} ?
[12:23:53] {ormus} i see what you’re saying, though
[12:23:57] {ormus} he made the initial decision
[12:24:04] {ormus} presumably of his own free will
[12:24:23] {nule} i would just think the eggs are hers, fertilized or not
[12:24:45] {ormus} oh
[12:24:46] {ormus} i wouldn’t
[12:24:50] {ormus} especially in europe
[12:25:41] {nule} why’s that?
[12:26:37] {nule} i dunno, i can see why it’s a sticky issue, though
[12:26:42] {ormus} i see much of that coming down to father/mother rights
[12:26:51] {ormus} i think europe is more progressive in that sense
[12:27:00] {ormus} oh yeah, sticky no matter what
[12:27:57] {ormus} and by progressive i mean more of a 50/50 approach on their rights
[12:28:06] {ormus} that’s just my impression
[12:28:59] {nule} i kind of see it like this, irrespective of whatever laws may be involved
[12:29:10] {nule} the sperm’s his, the egg’s hers
[12:29:26] {nule} he consented for the use of the sperm to fertilize the eggs
[12:29:32] {nule} that’s done, right?
[12:29:45] {nule} well, I’d say she could do whatever she wants with the eggs now
[12:29:54] {nule} make an eggcicle (teehee) or whatever
[12:30:14] {ormus} yeah
[12:30:19] {ormus} ouch
[12:30:21] {ormus} that was bad
[12:30:28] {ormus} anyway, i definitely see your point
[12:30:46] {nule} if you saw the embryo as a person that’d make things weird
[12:30:47] {ormus} but…let’s say the embryo was allowed to grow
[12:30:56] {nule} you’d almost have to compel the woman to take it
[12:30:59] {ormus} the parents presumably have 50/50 say over the kid
[12:31:03] {ormus} so why not the embryo?
[12:31:30] {ormus} i know it’s a different
[12:31:31] {ormus} just a thought
[12:31:41] {nule} no it’s interesting
[12:32:05] {ormus} but yeah, once he consented, i wouldn’t have been surprised to see them rule that what’s done is done, either
[12:32:06] {nule} i guess it comes down to what he actually consented to
[12:32:29] {ormus} using that same example, it’s not like he could take back his consent for having a child once it’s born
[12:32:39] {nule} yeah
[12:32:54] {nule} although, I’m for extended the limits on abortion until they’re about 8 y/o
[12:32:58] {ormus} 🙂
[12:33:08] {nule} but them, I’m racist
[12:33:14] {ormus} yes, you are
[12:33:21] * ormus aborts nule (for once!)
[12:33:22] {ormus} yay!
[12:33:25] {nule} no!
[12:33:27] * nule dies
[12:33:32] * nule left clicks
[12:33:36] * nule runs to the buy zone
[12:33:38] {ormus} ack!
[12:33:40] * nule buys a bullpup
[12:33:44] * ormus runs (period)
—–a bit later—–
[14:23:50] {nule} UK laws allow parties to withdraw consent up until the embryos are implanted
[14:27:37] {nule} and five years to appeal until the embryos are destroyed
[14:27:50] {nule} at least they’re unambiguous
[14:27:59] {nule} but now I’m of the opinion the guy is just being a dick